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First the Wedding, Then the Supper
More Possibilities Examined
Praise God. Glory Glory Glory!!
There sure are a lot of mysteries hidden in the scripture. Isn't it cool? Everyone seems to think they have the secret formula for Coca-Cola tucked away in their "little peanut sized brains". I take a lot of verbal retribution for my ideas. Recently I even had a pastor call some of my "ideas" Satanic. HA! I warned him he best watch his demeanor because he might lose some of his crowns.
Where is our humility? Can we not wonder about the Glory of God beyond the 12 oz. can of "theological" containment?
Sure we can, and sure WE SHALL!
More than Meets the Eye
Every time I see another person's interpretation of scripture, my mind starts to "spin" and I look for other possibilities. I believe we should all do that. After all, have we not been ultimately misled by the force feeding of "milk" for years and years? You bet!
So it's certainly reasonable to assume that most of what we've been taught about prophecy and other scripture is "less than trustworthy" ... wouldn't you say? I would. Again I would remind the reader that I was raised a "no rapture" person. And the arguments were pretty solid. I even have a book entitled "The Rapture Plot". I didn't finish it though. It was a difficult read and endlessly "beat to death" this single group of people suggesting there was this demonically inspired "plan" to inject the concept of a rapture into Biblical teaching. After a few chapters, that one needed to be "tossed".
I've come to the conclusion that we all need to "loosen up" a bit on our current understanding of things. It is imperative we take the "empirical" information of "today" and reverse engineer it back into the scripture. I think you have a "thought deficiency" if you don't do that. There are certain things that cannot be denied. And God is the Almighty Creator of "all things".
Three Specific Times
You have evidence all throughout the Bible of times when groups of people were raised from the dead, certain times when others were "sucked up" into the sky (call it what you will). To further get your arms around all this information (and scripture), please refer to the article on Tribulation-Now entitled:
The Elect, The Bride, and The Tribulation-Saints
There is also a two-hour radio show done on this subject for those interested. You can listen live on Blog Talk Radio from the links below here.
The Elect, the Bride and The Tribulation-Saints
Other related shows can be found on the main archive link here:
Rescue Mission Phase I
You have the Church of Philadelphia delivered from the "hour of trial" (Rev 3:6); the "Woman" of Revelation 12:6, (Rev. 12:6) who is "FED" ... listen ... FED for 1260 days. This is the duration of the Great Tribulation. This is the last 3.5 years of Daniels 70 weeks.
THIS IS THE BRIDE
The word "eat" or "fed" here is a "KEY WORD".
Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.
Then the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, that they should feed her there one thousand two hundred and sixty days.
Contrast that to the report card of the Church of Thyatira who is purposefully CAST INTO the Great Tribulation. That is the complete opposite.
Indeed I will cast her into a sickbed, and those who commit adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they repent of their deeds.
So CLEARLY here you see that the faithful church, is the Bride of Jesus Christ which is rescued out of the entire 3.5 years of the Great Tribulation. NOT BEFORE! She is only FED in the wilderness for 3.5 years or 1260 days. So this destroys the concept of "pre-trib" rapture, "seven" years before the end of the world. Amen?
Important: Do NOT write me to start a debate or correct my course. I will not respond and I promise you I will delete you. Learn or leave in Jesus Name.
Rescue Mission Phase II
Then you have the elect that are gathered at the "Last Trumpet" (Matt 24:30, 1 Cor. 15:52). But "listen" ... that is a "Trumpet"! There are also scriptures in 1 Thess. 4 which other rapture believers point to as THE "pre-trib" event. But these verses do not reflect an event that happens before the Great Tribulation.
1 Thess 4:16-18
For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
I don't know about you ... but this does NOT seem to be something that happens like a "thief" in the night. This sounds like the gathering of the "elect" in Matthew 24:30 and 1 Corinthians 15:52 complete with a trumpet blast.
Do people believe the Bride will be taken out right after a loud trumpet blast?
I don't think this is the case.
There are "Trumpets" and "Bowls"..... Bowl / Vial judgments come at the VERY END of the 3.5 years of the Great Tribulation. So at some point the "Last Trumpet" blows during the Great Tribulation ... This has to be at some time in the midst of the 1260 days. Right?
Rescue Mission Phase III
Then you have the Two Witnesses. They are here for the WHOLE 1260 days. Arguably they could be the same group as the Tribulation-Saints or a "subset" of them. The "key" here is they are ON THE EARTH for 1260 days. (Rev 11:3). BUT THEN!!! They are "killed" and then "resurrected". Then God CALLS THEM "UP".
And they will tread the holy city underfoot for forty-two months. 3 And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy one thousand two hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth.
And they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, "Come up here." And they ascended to heaven in a cloud
These are THREE (count them) ... THREE TIMES the scriptures specifically refer to a DIFFERENT group of believers being called up to the Heavens.
And ... there could be more.
If you are one of those who "buy off" on the "two witnesses" being some version of Moses, Enoch or Elijah coming back to earth and "breathing fire" out of their mouths from a street corner in Tel Aviv, I recommend you watch this You Tube video. These guys "nailed it" as far as I'm concerned.
The Two Witnesses of Revelation
Three Times, Three Watches
This morning I read an email from Christina. I love Christina. She humbly says things like "maybe I won't make the first rescue mission" but I have never seen anyone as excited as she is. She rocks!! Glory to God.
Her email had a link to a comment on the 5 Doves web site. A person was pointing out Luke 12:35-40 and suggesting it implied there would be "three" events that happen the evening of THE rapture. Okay ... maybe that is true. I have postulated in the past that perhaps the night of the "rescue mission", there might be "multiple waves" of "beam me us Scotty" events. Amen? Fair enough.
BUT WHAT IF?
Does THREE not match up well with THREE?
The Master Returns from the Wedding
35 "Let your waist be girded and your lamps burning; 36 and you yourselves be like men who wait for their master, when he will return from the wedding, that when he comes and knocks they may open to him immediately.
Excuse me? Why does this say "return from the wedding"? Does this scripture not imply that "the master" is "returning" from "the wedding"? Notice it also says to keep your "lamps burning" (ref. Matt. 25 the Wise and Foolish Virgins). Hmmm.
So here it appears that "The Master" is returning from His WEDDING!
But the Master has not gone to the Wedding Reception TO EAT ... yet ... has he?
Those Found Waiting on the Second and Third Watch
Here the same scripture continues. It talks about the master returning to find more believers who are "watching" for Him. And indeed it suggests that when He finds them, He will EAT with them.
37 Blessed are those servants whom the master, when he comes, will find watching. Assuredly, I say to you that he will gird himself and have them sit down to eat, and will come and serve them
There's that "EAT" / "FED" word again. I believe it is "possible" that most of those who are eventually rescued will be at the Marriage Supper (see Rev 19) as the scripture does not specifically refer to the Bride ONLY at the Supper.
What Wedding Reception have you been to where ONLY the Bride and the Groom were present?
38 And if he should come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants.
What is THE SECOND or THIRD watch? Some estimate this all happens on the same "rapture night" as in the link below from the Doves web site (God Bless You Christina).
But are we sure about that? Does this happen all in "one night"?
39 But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into. 40 Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect."
This scripture above "seems" to imply a single hour. But DOES it really? Does the "hour of trial" the Church of Philadelphia get delivered from only last "ONE earthy hour"?
I don't think so.
Summary in Jesus Name
Isn't this cool stuff? Isn't this encouraging?
I don't know if I am right about these things but it sure does look quite interesting to consider ... Amen? Aren't we absolutely blessed to have this wonderful opportunity to "wake up" to new understandings of God's Word in the "last days"? I believe this is very exciting.
God's Mercy Runs DEEP
Jesus Wants All His Sheep to COME HOME
HOLY HOLY HOLY
LORD GOD ALMIGHTY
IS, and WAS, and IS TO COME
PRAISE YAHUSHUA JESUS
NOW LET'S GET "OUT'A HERE!"